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ESRB rating Watch Dogs.

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Wich ESRB rating would you give Watch Dogs based on the footage until now?

EVERYONE
1
4%
EVERYONE 10+
0
No votes
TEEN (13+)
3
13%
MATURE (17+)
17
71%
ADULTS ONLY (18+)
3
13%
 
Total votes : 24

ESRB rating Watch Dogs.

Postby RazorBlade » Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:19 am

Most likely Watch Dogs will have an ESBR rating that is either Mature (17 years and older) or Adult (18 years and older). The question is then of course if this rating actually works. I mean with that, that children are not exposed to game footage that is not suited for them.

Let me explain my own opinion about this. First of all I consider this ESBR rating as a general guideline that is absolutely not tailor made for all children. Some children are further in their development then they should be based on their age. There are however also children that are behind on children of the same age. Still I think this should be used as a general guideline. I think that it is irresponsible for parents to approve violent hard core pornography to their 5 year old children.

So there are basically two problems with this system. I already mentioned the first and that is that a commission of sociology scientist don’t know the children that will play these games like Watch Dogs. So they might give an indication about the audience this game is suitable for but unless you know the child it is irrational to forbid it.

The other problem with this system is the parents. First you have to wonder if parents still have any real control over the games their 16 or 17 year old children are playing. At some point in raising children you also have to give them some trust. I don’t know any parents that look over the shoulder of their mature children 100% of the time to see what they are doing on their computer. Even if parents would have total control over the games their children play, it is questionable if they realize what these games are about.

But what is the downside of a bad regulation? Well very simple, politicians will simply try to forbid certain games. If games form a problem for parents (which are often their voters) then they might want to solve the problem. If age regulation does not work then a total ban on these games is the only solution for them. Keep in mind, these politicians are usually not gamers themselves. Even the majority of the people that vote for them are not gamers. People under the age of 18 are not even allowed to vote and the people between let’s say 18 and 25 are a small minority of the voters. After people get children and become parents their idea about protecting children for anything bad in this world will very quickly change.

Another side effect that you might see in games is that even games that are only suited for adults (18 years and older) everything is still very mild. If there is e.g. a sex scene then everything is still very much covered, while based on the age rating they might show anything. The reason is that the game industry realizes that if they show hardcore porn in their games that parents will reconsider giving adult games to their children while they have now no problem with it.

I have a few questions for the people on this forum. First you could perhaps tell a bit about yourselves. I mean with that, are you under the age of 18 or are you older. Second are you a parent yourself and if so from which age would you allow your child(ren) to play 18+ games. If you are under the age of 18, for you the same question, from which age would you consider it safe for yourself to play 18+ games. Perhaps we will see a difference between the parents and the children.

Another question I have is about your own situation with regard to games with a mature or adult label. An often heard argument for playing games at the age of 16, that are suited for 17+ is that they are themselves more mature then average people of their own age. How would you think you would react if your parents would wait a little longer because they think you are behind average people of your age. That would mean, hey you are 17 and on the box it says that the game is suited for children of 17 and above but I think you are not yet ready for that types of games so you should wait until you are 18. Would you accept that from your own parents? Personally I think more than 90% of the children think that they are ahead with respect of maturity and less than 10% think they are behind. I also think that on the last assumption I am on the very safe side.

Finaly, based on the footage you saw until now. What rating would you give Watch Dogs? See poll question.
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Re: ESRB rating Watch Dogs.

Postby Zonned87 » Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:50 pm

I would say there is a 99.99999% chance this game will be rated M.
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Re: ESRB rating Watch Dogs.

Postby SnoX » Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:50 pm

Zonned87 wrote:I would say there is a 99.99999% chance this game will be rated M.

Yeah, no reason for it to be 18+ :)
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Re: ESRB rating Watch Dogs.

Postby Ruby » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:03 pm

It's def not for "everyone". I say maybe teens or mature. More leaning on mature for gun violence and language.
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Re: ESRB rating Watch Dogs.

Postby RazorBlade » Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:25 pm

Keep in mind the open caracter of Watch Dogs. You are able to shoot police officers in the legs as shown in the demo but also trough the head. You can even shoot inocent bystanders trough the head.

You also saw in the cinematic trailer that Aiden follows a criminal in a special kind of Sushi restaurant (Nyotaimori). In the trailer you could not see more then a naked back, but in gameplay you can view the woman from every angle of course.

Then there are also all these camera's. It is hard to believe that if you can hack into so many lifes with those webcams that you will never see any sex. We already saw a woman with in her discription that she frequently visits porn websites. I can only imagine what you will see if you follow her and watch her trough her webcam. Of course it could be that non of the people in Chigago undress in this game but IMHO it would take away a bit of the excitement in this game where they market the game as a game where you can invade the private lives trough webcams.
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Re: ESRB rating Watch Dogs.

Postby Mr Burks » Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:08 pm

I feel the Adult Only rating for this game would definitely make it become somewhat of a turn-off. Parents would be extremely concerned considering their teen is playing an adult game. Nonetheless, many may not even purchase it to have in the house for their children to watch/play. I have a feeling Ubisoft's revenue would definitely be less than expected if this game is Adult Only.

In addition, the last time I did research about the Adult Only [Ao+] rating, I believe that it's information contained something along the lines of not being able to sell it in plain-sight of a customer (such as a preview stand, or a box would not be put out on display). They certainly do not sell copies of Adult Only games here in Florida [EST]. Never have I ever seen one, but the only Adult Only I've ever heard of is GTA: San Andreas :: Black Coffee, and I had to google it to actually find a picture of the casing itself.
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Re: ESRB rating Watch Dogs.

Postby RazorBlade » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:25 pm

Just read a bit more about adult only games on wikipedia and the list is very short because Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo don't allow AO+ on their consoles. GTA San Adreas had originaly a mature rating but after the game was released people found a script that would unlock the hot coffee mod. It was named the hot coffee mod because your girlfriend would invite you for some hot coffee after you brought her home. Then you will have sex with her with your clothes still on. It was a scandel in the US because the mod was discovered after the ESRB rating. After a rerating it was AO+.

Also looked up the avarage age people loose their virginity. In the US boys loose their virginity on average at the age of 17.0. Non religious people lose their virginity on average at the age of 15.9. Apparantly people in the US have on average much sooner sex then they are allowed to watch these animated pictures with clothes on in the hot coffee mod. {{=crazy}}

Because of the policy of MS, Sony and Nintendo regarding AO+ games, it is safe to say Watch Dogs will be rated Mature (17+)
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Re: ESRB rating Watch Dogs.

Postby goaliedude3919 » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:45 pm

There's no way that this game will be rated AO in America. There's a reason that almost no games get that rating. As far as main stream games go, GTA: San Andreas had that rating once the Hot Coffee mod was found and Manhunt 2 was AO only for the PC. AO games just don't sell on consoles.

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Re: ESRB rating Watch Dogs.

Postby Zonned87 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:51 am

All three companies have regulations against AO games on their consoles. You can only release AO games on PC if I understand correctly.
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Watch Dogs ridiculous rating

Postby Mystery_Hax » Tue Jun 10, 2014 3:39 am

Watch Dogs shouldn't have been rated R18+ (Mature 17+ in Murica'). Watch Dogs is not even close to as violent, disgusting and disturbing as games such as GTA V and Saints Row 3rd, which was rated MA15+ by the way.

People are constantly saying how bad it is because of all the references to sexual violence in it. Key word there: references! They are not actually showing the scene, therefore it cannot be as bad! There is a scene in which you hack into a control box which shows what seems to be a man having intercourse with a woman, but you only see the back and it is in wireframe. This is the worst that you will see in Watch Dogs, and most of this stuff can be exited quickly if needed. The vulgar language is a different matter, considering that it is used quite often in the game and that is appears in all dialogue. If the government is going to treat this game as the new Grand Theft Auto V then so be it, but it is nothing like that abomination.
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Re: ESRB rating Watch Dogs.

Postby WDAnonymous » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:21 am

17+ because of nudity.
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